I think the ACC attendance problem is two fold. First being that I believe people would show up if there were 2 relevent teams that were top 5 like the Big 12 and SEC had, and then secondly, most ACC schools are quite a bit smaller in enrollment and at least a 3rd of the schools are private schools so they dont have the fan bases that the more traditional SEC schools have. I dont think location is really that big of a deal. I'd much rather go to Tampa than Charlotte this time of year and a airlines ticket there can be had for next to nothing. The biggest issue is all the teams are average teams and fans that arent fans of the school(just wanting to see good football) arent going to waste their money going to see two sorry ass teams like VT and BC.
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We wouldnt be thrilled to be 25th. It is however better than the way this season turned out. Tenn fans like most SEC fans want to win THE conference, and be in the NC talk. Your darn right I'd take 25th and a bowl now. But not thrilled, TN will be thrilled the next time we win the SEC. Winning the SEC means you've beat the best, just ask Ohio State. [/quote]
That will be years down the road, IF it ever happens again.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lpdVol</div><div class="ubbcode-body">VT is relevant when and why??? No national titles....Bowl record is not comparable to UT. Small man syndrome is what you can all say VThokie has....Winning the ACC is like winning the cumberland in football just be happy to be there!!! Rebuttal is?? Another season no national title....UT 6 </div></div>
When did UT win 6????
The list below is from CBS sports and it only shows them winning titles in 1951 and 1998. Unless you're going back to the 1800s I don't see 6 titles.
Plus you (AND ALL TENNESSEE FANS) need to quit living in the past. Look at Army, Harvard Princeton , Yale. They won titles ing the late 1800s/early 1900s....does that mean anything now? NOPE! Just like VT was crappy 15 -20 years ago doesn't mean anything now. Grow up and quit living in the past and just admit that VT is a better program these days than UT.
You've only been to 2 BCS games (usually 2 SEC teams go)over an eleven year period....too bad they don't have the peach bowl or the citrus bowl anymore.
Past Division I-A champions
Below is a list of every school that has won a national title. AP started awarding national champions in 1936, while the BCS was created in 1998.
Bowl Championship Series Era
Year School Selecting organization
2007 LSU BCS
2006 Florida BCS, AP, FWAA
2005 Texas BCS, AP, FWAA
2004 Southern California BCS, AP, FWAA
2003 Louisiana State BCS
Southern California AP, FWAA
2002 Ohio State BCS, AP, FWAA
2001 Miami (Fla.) BCS, AP, FWAA
2000 Oklahoma BCS, AP, FWAA
1999 Florida State BCS, AP, FWAA
1998 Tennessee BCS, AP, FWAA
Other national champions
Year School Selecting organization
1997 Michigan
Nebraska AP, FWAA,NFF
USA/ESPN
1996 Florida AP, FWAA, NFF,USA/CNN
1995 Nebraska AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1994 Nebraska AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1993 Florida St. AP, FWAA,NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1992 Alabama AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1991 Washington
Miami (Fla.) FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
AP
1990 Colorado
Georgia Tech FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, AP
UPI
1989 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1988 Notre Dame AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1987 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1986 Penn St. AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1985 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1984 Brigham Young AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1983 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1982 Penn St. AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1981 Clemson AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1980 Georgia AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1979 Alabama AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1978 Alabama
Southern California AP, FWAA, NFF
UPI
1977 Notre Dame AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1976 Pittsburgh AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1975 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1974 Southern California
Oklahoma FWAA, NFF, UPI
AP
1973 Notre Dame
Alabama AP, FWAA, NFF
UPI
1972 Southern California AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1971 Nebraska AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1970 Nebraska
Texas
Ohio St. AP, FWAA
NFF, UPI
NFF
1969 Texas AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1968 Ohio St. AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1967 Southern California AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1966 Notre Dame
Michigan St. AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
NFF
1965 Michigan St.
Alabama FWAA, NFF, UPI
AP, FWAA
1964 Alabama
Arkansas
Notre Dame AP, UPI
FWAA
NFF
1963 Texas AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1962 Southern California AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1961 Alabama
Ohio St. AP, NFF, UPI
FWAA
1960 Minnesota
Mississippi AP, NFF, UPI
FWAA
1959 Syracuse AP, FWAA, NFF, UPI
1958 LSU
Iowa AP, UPI
FWAA
1957 Ohio St.
Auburn FWAA, UPI
AP
1956 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, UPI
1955 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, UPI
1954 UCLA
Ohio St. FWAA, UPI
AP
1953 Maryland AP, UPI
1952 Michigan St. AP, UPI
1951 Tennessee AP, UPI
1950 Oklahoma AP, UPI
1949 Notre Dame AP
1948 Michigan AP
1947 Notre Dame AP
1946 Notre Dame AP
1945 Army AP
1944 Army AP
1943 Notre Dame AP
1942 Ohio St. AP
1941 Minnesota AP
1940 Minnesota AP
1939 Texas A&M AP
1938 Texas Christian AP
1937 Pittsburgh AP
1936 Minnesota AP
Retroactive poll champions
Year School Selecting organization
1935 Minnesota CFRA, HAF, NCF
1934 Minnesota CFRA, HAF, NCF
1933 Michigan CFRA, HAF, NCF
1932 Southern California CFRA, HAF, NCF
1931 Southern California CFRA, HAF, NCF
1930 Alabama
Notre Dame CFRA
HAF, NCF
1929 Notre Dame CFRA, HAF, NCF
1928 Georgia Tech. CFRA, HAF, NCF
1927 Illinois
Yale HAF, NCF
CFRA
1926 Alabama
Stanford CFRA, HAF, NCF
HAF
1925 Alabama CFRA, HAF, NCF
1924 Notre Dame CFRA, HAF, NCF
1923 Illinois
Michigan CFRA, HAF, NCF
NCF
1922 California
Cornell
Princeton NCF
HAF
CFRA, NCF
1921 California
Cornell CFRA
NCF, HAF
1920 California CFRA, HAF, NCF
1919 Harvard
Illinois
Notre Dame
Texas A&M CFRA, HAF, NCF
CFRA
NCF
NCF
1918 Michigan
Pittsburg NCF
HAF, NCF
1917 Georgia Tech. HAF, NCF
1916 Pittsburgh HAF, NCF
1915 Cornell HAF, NCF
1914 Army HAF, NCF
1913 Harvard HAF, NCF
1912 Harvard
Penn St. HAF, NCF
NCF
1911 Penn St.
Princeton NCF
HAF, NCF
1910 Harvard
Pittsburgh HAF, NCF
NCF
1909 Yale HAF, NCF
1908 LSU
Pennsylvania NCF
HAF, NCF
1907 Yale HAF, NCF
1906 Princeton HAF, NCF
1905 Chicago HAF, NCF
1904 Michigan
Pennsylvania NCF
HAF, NCF
1903 Michigan
Princeton NCF
HAF, NCF
1902 Michigan HAF, NCF
1901 Michigan HAF, NCF
1900 Yale HAF, NCF
1899 Harvard HAF, NCF
1898 Harvard HAF, NCF
1897 Pennsylvania HAF, NCF
1896 Lafayette
Princeton NCF
HAF, NCF
1895 Pennsylvania HAF, NCF
1894 Yale HAF, NCF
1893 Princeton HAF, NCF
1892 Yale HAF, NCF
1891 Yale HAF, NCF
1890 Harvard HAF, NCF
1889 Princeton HAF, NCF
1888 Yale HAF, NCF
1887 Yale HAF, NCF
1886 Yale HAF, NCF
1885 Princeton HAF, NCF
1884 Yale HAF, NCF
1883 Yale HAF, NCF
1882 Yale NCF
1881 Yale NCF
1880 Princeton
Yale NCF
NCF
1879 Princeton NCF
1878 Princeton NCF
1877 Yale NCF
1876 Yale NCF
1875 Harvard NCF
1874 Yale NCF
1873 Princeton NCF
1872 Princeton NCF
1871 None selected
1870 Princeton NCF
1869 Princeton NCF
AP - Associated Press
BCS - Bowl College Series
CFRA - College Football Researchers Association
FWAA - Football Writers Association of America
HAF - Helms Athletic Foundation
NCF - National Championship Foundation
NFF - National Football Foundation/College Football Hall of Fame
UPI - United Press International
USA/CNN - USA Today/CNN
USA/ESPN - USA Today/ESPN
Macho Man
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2007 ACC Champions!
UT has won 2
Alabama has won 6
if UT is claiming 6, alabama can sure as [censored] claim 12
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They have 2.
For the genius who claimed that the ACC would be a better football conference than the SEC in two years and said something along the lines of they were like the third best now, the success of programs are based on several things. The first of which is not a 10 year period of marginal success with nothing to show for it. UT has the advantage in history and tradition, success, facilities, successful players in pro sports, titles (national and conference), national perception, successful coaches, wins, bowl wins, even conference affilitaion, ect. Notre Dame is absolute garbage right now, it's 10x's the program that VT is. UT's team was a train wreck this year, they're still 10x's the program VT is. If VT and UT played this year, it would have been an ugly as hell 6-3 game that VT probably would have won, UT is still 10x's the program. If UT goes 75 years with the same sort of 75 years that Army, Harvard, Princeton, Yale have had they'll slip to that. 5-10 "down" years where they still had multiple 10 win seasons isn't going to get that accomplished though.
"There he goes, one of Gods own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die"
When did UT win 6????
You shouldn't have told them that. Seems like some of them think they win it every year. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img]
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a die hard UT fan has jus said UT won 2, as i did, because thats all they legitimately have
like some alabama fans claim 12, but the actual total is 6
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Some say 6, some say 4. It's 2. You don't say you have one just because Bass Masters or who ever claims you're the NC.
"There he goes, one of Gods own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die"
exactly
to me, it has to read UPI/AP, or BCS
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Qualls just loves to throw that "12" around. [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
"There he goes, one of Gods own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die"
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